Pete Ashdown Chat - April 28, 2005

IRC log started Thu Apr 28 20:00:57 2005 -:- Value of LOG set to ON pashdown hello everone and welcome to the chat pashdown anyone want to throw out a question? -:- Topic (#pashdown): changed by pashdown: Ask a question. -:- EricB [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown pashdown hello Eric A|home ? Would you go over the new guidelines for the chat this week, incase anyone didn't get your email? EricB Hey Pete pashdown ok pashdown many people who were new to chat told me they were confused by the disarray that irc lends itself to pashdown so if you have a question just type a ? like this pashdown ? pashdown if you have a comment type . pashdown . pashdown and i'll call on you pashdown then while you have the floor, people have to hold comments and questions until you're done A|home . EricB ? pashdown shoot A A|home This will take some getting used to A|home :) A|home ? pashdown eric your question? EricB What do you think about bill gates asking to withold all HB1 visas pashdown i haven't heard about that, do you have a link? EricB yes i'll fetch it in a sec move onto another question pashdown A your question? -:- reriding [~bertbob@c-24-10-232-189.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #pashdown A|home Would you fill us in on what you have done sence the last chat? A|home http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/27/2232244 pashdown After I got back from vacation, there were two Democratic county conventions to attend and one "forum" because Washington County's convention conflicted with Davis'. EricB http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/feb/07us3.htm pashdown I went to Weber County and met the Democrats up there and gave a short speech pashdown The next night I went to Tooele and was simply introduced pashdown Last night I was in Washington County at their forum -:- evan [edone@done.xmission.com] has joined #pashdown pashdown I've been working on the website and trying to get the contribution section mapped out A|home I wish I would have known about your stop in weber county, I would have loved to have come out pashdown A, I'll be back :-) A|home alright pashdown Eric, let me look at the link A|home a callender of planed dates would be great on your website as well pashdown Good idea EricB Orrin hatch is one of the leaders pusing for MORE H1-B visa pashdown I will be at the Democratic Convention on May 7th reriding I'm wondering how you feel about patent "reform" and Hatch appointed to oversee it, and software patents in general pashdown Hang on Burt, I'll address that after this H1-B thing. pashdown I have a hard time believing there aren't enough high-tech workers in the United States already looking for jobs. pashdown What I'm guessing is that there are a lot of corps looking for cheap high-tech workers. EricB I see the H1-B for tech workers as a brain drain/training our competitors pashdown Competitors where? EricB Asia -:- elgie [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown EricB India pashdown Ah, I think its going to be a rough road to try and brain-drain Asia and India :/ pashdown I would side with the protection of American tech workers over outsourcing and imports. EricB If we train out of country works, and then they leave they take our tech with them. EricB scuse me, workers reriding . pashdown Burt you have a comment? reriding china and india have already decided to try to take over tech industry pashdown Yes, there is no doubt that much of the rest of the world has seen where the paydirt is in the future. reriding they just met to discuss is in the last few weeks reriding s/si/it pashdown I think the US needs to realize this more and try to start focusing on science/technology at the roots of education. EricB :-) ok I'm done pashdown Burt you asked about patent reform reriding yes pashdown I've written something on this at http://pashdown.org/issues/uspto.html reriding ok reriding and a somewhat related subject, 90 year copyrights and orphaned works pashdown http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdfhttp://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdf pashdown bah, hang on pashdown http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdf pashdown my comments to the copyright office on orphan works -:- bikrguy [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown pashdown in regards to copyright, i'd like to see it brought in line with what i've suggested for patents reriding perhaps a return to 19+19 years, or maybe a small $1.00 fee for renewal to show insterest pashdown i would say that would be good but renewal by the author/inventor only reriding ok I just read what you said...I think I'm agreeing more and more with your positions pashdown i think there is a lot of societal benefit to be had by works falling out of copyright and patents expiring pashdown but inventors and authors have a right to be protected too pashdown any other questions? reriding not from me elgie ? pashdown elgie go ahead bikrguy ? elgie Hey Pete, it's Loretta. Sorry got here late. How did the meetings with the counties go (Tooele, Washington, etc) pashdown They all went really well. What is interesting to me is hearing the stories about candidates who did *not* get out past Salt Lake county to campaign. elgie I know! pashdown I think there is a lot to be said for positive and present action in these other counties. pashdown I had a great time in St George yesterday and it really excited me for seeing the rest of the state. People love to show visitors around. pashdown bikrguy your question? bikrguy I was curious. give the Prez's speach tonight. U know to know that a lot of younger people feel that they will never see a dime of SS. would you ever back a measure to do away with it? pashdown eliminate it or privatize it? pashdown i guess it doesn't matter, i wouldn't support either replacing social security bikrguy eliminate it all together. for the younger generation. I feel that we would be willing to bankroll it just to do away with it, at least a lot of people I've discussed this with EricB . bikrguy obviously the AARP crown is totaly against this. reriding . pashdown I think social security has been a successful program through its existence and it needs simple adjustments rather than elimination. pashdown Things like moving the cap up and adjusting for inflation could extend its lifetime beyond the 2046 date. pashdown Eric, your comment? EricB What we really need is more workers, more educated works contributing to SS pashdown I agree with that. pashdown Burt? bikrguy . reriding moving the cap up to $200K would fix the problem...how many people made 200K last time SS was reformed...25 years ago pashdown bikrguy? bikrguy but given the contentious state of things in the country, do you really feel that a measure like that would pass through congress? pashdown to adjust the cap on social security? pashdown I think that is easier to push through than entire overhaul. reriding 2046 is just an estimate anyway...CBO says 2052 now, or maybe even later bikrguy that and the age thing. U have all these Baby Boomers hitting the cap. Do you honestly think they will vote for a cap increase as well as an age increse? pashdown I think the boomers won't care because they'll be drawing off social security rather than contributing it. bikrguy . pashdown What is the current cap, $120K? pashdown go ahead bikr bikrguy I simply wanted to get an idea of where it was you stood. I'm finished. Thank you for answering my questions. -:- Clarity [~clarity@70-58-108-223.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #pashdown pashdown I would like to see Social Security adjusted, not overhauled. pashdown Anyone else with a question? -:- Web358 [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown Clarity ? sorry I'm late and I don't know if someone has asked this before, but what is your opinion on the electronic voting machines? pashdown Clarity, I think we need open, or at least auditable source machines with paper trails. I tend to favor the machine + optical ballot method. pashdown I also think it would be worthwhile to find out why Canada is able to use paper and pencil and still finish their national elections in 4 hours. Clarity Thank you. One more thing since you mentioned open source - are you familiar with www.openvoting.org the open voting consortium and the machine they've designed? pashdown I have heard of it, but I haven't used it or looked at the code. Clarity I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THERE! Clarity (on Canada) pashdown Is Utah evaluating the openvoting.org machine? Web358 ?what would you tell me, as a Utah republican, that would encourage me to vote for you Clarity . no they say they were too late with the RFP but I hear from Open Voting that wasn't the case. I'm not completely clear on what happened. I do know Utah County is looking at alternatives. pashdown Web358, the primary thing I can tell you is that I will be here in Utah listening to you more than I will be in Washington listening to the people who have given me money. pashdown I have a very strong stance on personal privacy and being fiscally conservative. Web358 .a good answer pashdown I have tried to run my business in a fashion that protects my customers' privacy and unfortunately, I think that is rare. elgie ? pashdown Web358, can I ask for your thoughts on healthcare? reriding ? pashdown elgie, your question? elgie not really a question...I was at a couple of conventions for local officials. As of last week, the Lt. Gov had narrowed down the selection of voting machine to two vendors elgie neither had a paper trail elgie we were able to test them both pashdown that is discouraging, i'd say paper trail should be the minimum elgie I'm not sure if a decision has been made, but I know that both companies were in town last week presenting pashdown burt your question? reriding what would you think about a heavy gasoline tax to take gas up to $4-5 / gallon to finance the oil wars? to force a search for sustainable and cleaner alternatives? pashdown I would be against that because I think it would slam our economy too hard. Think of goods transport and transportation. pashdown However, I think there are solutions right in front of us. reriding (we pay taxes for the war anyway, they're just not built into the price of the oil yet) pashdown Agreed, it seems to be gradually getting there. pashdown I heard that you can get up to 400 mpg with a hybrid depending on the fuel you're using. pashdown I'd like to see our government getting behind fusion too, because it appears that the ITER project is going to work. pashdown ITER being the fusion reactor being planned for either Japan or France. * reriding/#pashdown wonders why one needs a tax break to make 400mpg more attractive pashdown Do you mean a tax break for the car makers? reriding no, tax breaks for "consumers" who buy fuel efficient cars, recently proposed by the President pashdown Ah. It seems that Toyota doesn't need any help selling the Prius. EricB . pashdown Go ahead Eric EricB Current hybrids have issues, they actually are getting marginally better mpg than conventional engines EricB mainly because of terrain reriding . EricB the DOT tests them on a track, not real world conditions EricB but it's getting better :-) <done> pashdown Burt? reriding as a UTA rider, I can say the hybrid busses have much better acceleration than the diesels...I don't know about their efficiency reriding ;) pashdown I'd like to see more use of biofuels like ethanol done. It would seem to me that biofuels have the potential to reinvigorate American farms. bikrguy ? pashdown Go ahead bikrguy bikrguy What is your take on the Fed's water policy in the west, ie farming water intensive crops in the desert. I'm in Phoenix and just outside of Phoenix I see alfalfa fields and up north there is a PRAWN farm. bikrguy . I would like to note that I live both in SLC and phoenix pashdown Prawns in the desert sounds pretty ridiculous, but I wonder how it compares to an alfalfa farm? pashdown I think there needs to be a more balanced approach to water policy. EricB . pashdown I don't know what the answer is, because farmers need to farm, but they couldn't pay what we do in the city and stay in business I'm sure. pashdown Eric your comment? EricB just a link to hybrid stuff http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html pashdown thanks EricB np pashdown I've heard some of the water debates on the radio and I'm still not sure who is right. pashdown However, if it keeps raining, we're going to have to find some place else to pump it. :-) bikrguy . To bad ole Norm's pumps aren't functional out in the west desert pashdown I was in memory grove this afternoon and it looked like you could raft on city creek. bikrguy ;-) pashdown Yep -:- Web236 [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown pashdown I'm going to try and wrap at around 9:00, does anyone have a last question? pashdown In that case, is there a better time someone would like to suggest to do the weekly chats? -:- Web470 [www-data@pashdown.org] has joined #pashdown pashdown Ok, well email me if you think of one. reriding for those who can't make the chats, can there be a log made available for dl? EricB not on friday at 7pm <ST: Enterprise> pashdown Thanks for coming tonight, and thanks for using the moderation format. pashdown Yes Burt, I'll put them on the chat page on my website if they have any content. pashdown I'll get this one up in about an hour. bikrguy . thank you and thank you for your time. reriding thanks, Pete reriding goodnight pashdown Thank you -:- reriding [~bertbob@c-24-10-232-189.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #pashdown [testing..one...tw] -:- SignOff bikrguy: #pashdown (Quit: CGI:IRC) -:- SignOff elgie: #pashdown (Quit: CGI:IRC) IRC log ended Thu Apr 28 21:03:22 2005 Generated by irclog2html.pl 2.1 by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net!

`IRC log started Thu Apr 28 20:00:57 2005`
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`pashdown`	`hello everone and welcome to the chat`
`pashdown`	`anyone want to throw out a question?`
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`pashdown`	`hello Eric`
`A\|home`	`? Would you go over the new guidelines for the chat this week, incase anyone didn't get your email?`
`EricB`	`Hey Pete`
`pashdown`	`ok`
`pashdown`	`many people who were new to chat told me they were confused by the disarray that irc lends itself to`
`pashdown`	`so if you have a question just type a ? like this`
`pashdown`	`?`
`pashdown`	`if you have a comment type .`
`pashdown`	`.`
`pashdown`	`and i'll call on you`
`pashdown`	`then while you have the floor, people have to hold comments and questions until you're done`
`A\|home`	`.`
`EricB`	`?`
`pashdown`	`shoot A`
`A\|home`	`This will take some getting used to`
`A\|home`	`:)`
`A\|home`	`?`
`pashdown`	`eric your question?`
`EricB`	`What do you think about bill gates asking to withold all HB1 visas`
`pashdown`	`i haven't heard about that, do you have a link?`
`EricB`	`yes i'll fetch it in a sec move onto another question`
`pashdown`	`A your question?`
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`A\|home`	`Would you fill us in on what you have done sence the last chat?`
`A\|home`	`http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/27/2232244`
`pashdown`	`After I got back from vacation, there were two Democratic county conventions to attend and one "forum" because Washington County's convention conflicted with Davis'.`
`EricB`	`http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/feb/07us3.htm`
`pashdown`	`I went to Weber County and met the Democrats up there and gave a short speech`
`pashdown`	`The next night I went to Tooele and was simply introduced`
`pashdown`	`Last night I was in Washington County at their forum`
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`pashdown`	`I've been working on the website and trying to get the contribution section mapped out`
`A\|home`	`I wish I would have known about your stop in weber county, I would have loved to have come out`
`pashdown`	`A, I'll be back :-)`
`A\|home`	`alright`
`pashdown`	`Eric, let me look at the link`
`A\|home`	`a callender of planed dates would be great on your website as well`
`pashdown`	`Good idea`
`EricB`	`Orrin hatch is one of the leaders pusing for MORE H1-B visa`
`pashdown`	`I will be at the Democratic Convention on May 7th`
`reriding`	`I'm wondering how you feel about patent "reform" and Hatch appointed to oversee it, and software patents in general`
`pashdown`	`Hang on Burt, I'll address that after this H1-B thing.`
`pashdown`	`I have a hard time believing there aren't enough high-tech workers in the United States already looking for jobs.`
`pashdown`	`What I'm guessing is that there are a lot of corps looking for cheap high-tech workers.`
`EricB`	`I see the H1-B for tech workers as a brain drain/training our competitors`
`pashdown`	`Competitors where?`
`EricB`	`Asia`
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`EricB`	`India`
`pashdown`	`Ah, I think its going to be a rough road to try and brain-drain Asia and India :/`
`pashdown`	`I would side with the protection of American tech workers over outsourcing and imports.`
`EricB`	`If we train out of country works, and then they leave they take our tech with them.`
`EricB`	`scuse me, workers`
`reriding`	`.`
`pashdown`	`Burt you have a comment?`
`reriding`	`china and india have already decided to try to take over tech industry`
`pashdown`	`Yes, there is no doubt that much of the rest of the world has seen where the paydirt is in the future.`
`reriding`	`they just met to discuss is in the last few weeks`
`reriding`	`s/si/it`
`pashdown`	`I think the US needs to realize this more and try to start focusing on science/technology at the roots of education.`
`EricB`	`:-) ok I'm done`
`pashdown`	`Burt you asked about patent reform`
`reriding`	`yes`
`pashdown`	`I've written something on this at http://pashdown.org/issues/uspto.html`
`reriding`	`ok`
`reriding`	`and a somewhat related subject, 90 year copyrights and orphaned works`
`pashdown`	`http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdfhttp://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdf`
`pashdown`	`bah, hang on`
`pashdown`	`http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0048-Ashdown.pdf`
`pashdown`	`my comments to the copyright office on orphan works`
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`pashdown`	`in regards to copyright, i'd like to see it brought in line with what i've suggested for patents`
`reriding`	`perhaps a return to 19+19 years, or maybe a small $1.00 fee for renewal to show insterest`
`pashdown`	`i would say that would be good but renewal by the author/inventor only`
`reriding`	`ok I just read what you said...I think I'm agreeing more and more with your positions`
`pashdown`	`i think there is a lot of societal benefit to be had by works falling out of copyright and patents expiring`
`pashdown`	`but inventors and authors have a right to be protected too`
`pashdown`	`any other questions?`
`reriding`	`not from me`
`elgie`	`?`
`pashdown`	`elgie go ahead`
`bikrguy`	`?`
`elgie`	`Hey Pete, it's Loretta. Sorry got here late. How did the meetings with the counties go (Tooele, Washington, etc)`
`pashdown`	`They all went really well. What is interesting to me is hearing the stories about candidates who did not get out past Salt Lake county to campaign.`
`elgie`	`I know!`
`pashdown`	`I think there is a lot to be said for positive and present action in these other counties.`
`pashdown`	`I had a great time in St George yesterday and it really excited me for seeing the rest of the state. People love to show visitors around.`
`pashdown`	`bikrguy your question?`
`bikrguy`	`I was curious. give the Prez's speach tonight. U know to know that a lot of younger people feel that they will never see a dime of SS. would you ever back a measure to do away with it?`
`pashdown`	`eliminate it or privatize it?`
`pashdown`	`i guess it doesn't matter, i wouldn't support either replacing social security`
`bikrguy`	`eliminate it all together. for the younger generation. I feel that we would be willing to bankroll it just to do away with it, at least a lot of people I've discussed this with`
`EricB`	`.`
`bikrguy`	`obviously the AARP crown is totaly against this.`
`reriding`	`.`
`pashdown`	`I think social security has been a successful program through its existence and it needs simple adjustments rather than elimination.`
`pashdown`	`Things like moving the cap up and adjusting for inflation could extend its lifetime beyond the 2046 date.`
`pashdown`	`Eric, your comment?`
`EricB`	`What we really need is more workers, more educated works contributing to SS`
`pashdown`	`I agree with that.`
`pashdown`	`Burt?`
`bikrguy`	`.`
`reriding`	`moving the cap up to $200K would fix the problem...how many people made 200K last time SS was reformed...25 years ago`
`pashdown`	`bikrguy?`
`bikrguy`	`but given the contentious state of things in the country, do you really feel that a measure like that would pass through congress?`
`pashdown`	`to adjust the cap on social security?`
`pashdown`	`I think that is easier to push through than entire overhaul.`
`reriding`	`2046 is just an estimate anyway...CBO says 2052 now, or maybe even later`
`bikrguy`	`that and the age thing. U have all these Baby Boomers hitting the cap. Do you honestly think they will vote for a cap increase as well as an age increse?`
`pashdown`	`I think the boomers won't care because they'll be drawing off social security rather than contributing it.`
`bikrguy`	`.`
`pashdown`	`What is the current cap, $120K?`
`pashdown`	`go ahead bikr`
`bikrguy`	`I simply wanted to get an idea of where it was you stood. I'm finished. Thank you for answering my questions.`
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`pashdown`	`I would like to see Social Security adjusted, not overhauled.`
`pashdown`	`Anyone else with a question?`
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`Clarity`	`? sorry I'm late and I don't know if someone has asked this before, but what is your opinion on the electronic voting machines?`
`pashdown`	`Clarity, I think we need open, or at least auditable source machines with paper trails. I tend to favor the machine + optical ballot method.`
`pashdown`	`I also think it would be worthwhile to find out why Canada is able to use paper and pencil and still finish their national elections in 4 hours.`
`Clarity`	`Thank you. One more thing since you mentioned open source - are you familiar with www.openvoting.org the open voting consortium and the machine they've designed?`
`pashdown`	`I have heard of it, but I haven't used it or looked at the code.`
`Clarity`	`I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THERE!`
`Clarity`	`(on Canada)`
`pashdown`	`Is Utah evaluating the openvoting.org machine?`
`Web358`	`?what would you tell me, as a Utah republican, that would encourage me to vote for you`
`Clarity`	`. no they say they were too late with the RFP but I hear from Open Voting that wasn't the case. I'm not completely clear on what happened. I do know Utah County is looking at alternatives.`
`pashdown`	`Web358, the primary thing I can tell you is that I will be here in Utah listening to you more than I will be in Washington listening to the people who have given me money.`
`pashdown`	`I have a very strong stance on personal privacy and being fiscally conservative.`
`Web358`	`.a good answer`
`pashdown`	`I have tried to run my business in a fashion that protects my customers' privacy and unfortunately, I think that is rare.`
`elgie`	`?`
`pashdown`	`Web358, can I ask for your thoughts on healthcare?`
`reriding`	`?`
`pashdown`	`elgie, your question?`
`elgie`	`not really a question...I was at a couple of conventions for local officials. As of last week, the Lt. Gov had narrowed down the selection of voting machine to two vendors`
`elgie`	`neither had a paper trail`
`elgie`	`we were able to test them both`
`pashdown`	`that is discouraging, i'd say paper trail should be the minimum`
`elgie`	`I'm not sure if a decision has been made, but I know that both companies were in town last week presenting`
`pashdown`	`burt your question?`
`reriding`	`what would you think about a heavy gasoline tax to take gas up to $4-5 / gallon to finance the oil wars? to force a search for sustainable and cleaner alternatives?`
`pashdown`	`I would be against that because I think it would slam our economy too hard. Think of goods transport and transportation.`
`pashdown`	`However, I think there are solutions right in front of us.`
`reriding`	`(we pay taxes for the war anyway, they're just not built into the price of the oil yet)`
`pashdown`	`Agreed, it seems to be gradually getting there.`
`pashdown`	`I heard that you can get up to 400 mpg with a hybrid depending on the fuel you're using.`
`pashdown`	`I'd like to see our government getting behind fusion too, because it appears that the ITER project is going to work.`
`pashdown`	`ITER being the fusion reactor being planned for either Japan or France.`
`* reriding/#pashdown wonders why one needs a tax break to make 400mpg more attractive`
`pashdown`	`Do you mean a tax break for the car makers?`
`reriding`	`no, tax breaks for "consumers" who buy fuel efficient cars, recently proposed by the President`
`pashdown`	`Ah. It seems that Toyota doesn't need any help selling the Prius.`
`EricB`	`.`
`pashdown`	`Go ahead Eric`
`EricB`	`Current hybrids have issues, they actually are getting marginally better mpg than conventional engines`
`EricB`	`mainly because of terrain`
`reriding`	`.`
`EricB`	`the DOT tests them on a track, not real world conditions`
`EricB`	`but it's getting better :-) <done>`
`pashdown`	`Burt?`
`reriding`	`as a UTA rider, I can say the hybrid busses have much better acceleration than the diesels...I don't know about their efficiency`
`reriding`	`;)`
`pashdown`	`I'd like to see more use of biofuels like ethanol done. It would seem to me that biofuels have the potential to reinvigorate American farms.`
`bikrguy`	`?`
`pashdown`	`Go ahead bikrguy`
`bikrguy`	`What is your take on the Fed's water policy in the west, ie farming water intensive crops in the desert. I'm in Phoenix and just outside of Phoenix I see alfalfa fields and up north there is a PRAWN farm.`
`bikrguy`	`. I would like to note that I live both in SLC and phoenix`
`pashdown`	`Prawns in the desert sounds pretty ridiculous, but I wonder how it compares to an alfalfa farm?`
`pashdown`	`I think there needs to be a more balanced approach to water policy.`
`EricB`	`.`
`pashdown`	`I don't know what the answer is, because farmers need to farm, but they couldn't pay what we do in the city and stay in business I'm sure.`
`pashdown`	`Eric your comment?`
`EricB`	`just a link to hybrid stuff http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,63413,00.html`
`pashdown`	`thanks`
`EricB`	`np`
`pashdown`	`I've heard some of the water debates on the radio and I'm still not sure who is right.`
`pashdown`	`However, if it keeps raining, we're going to have to find some place else to pump it. :-)`
`bikrguy`	`. To bad ole Norm's pumps aren't functional out in the west desert`
`pashdown`	`I was in memory grove this afternoon and it looked like you could raft on city creek.`
`bikrguy`	`;-)`
`pashdown`	`Yep`
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`pashdown`	`I'm going to try and wrap at around 9:00, does anyone have a last question?`
`pashdown`	`In that case, is there a better time someone would like to suggest to do the weekly chats?`
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`pashdown`	`Ok, well email me if you think of one.`
`reriding`	`for those who can't make the chats, can there be a log made available for dl?`
`EricB`	`not on friday at 7pm <ST: Enterprise>`
`pashdown`	`Thanks for coming tonight, and thanks for using the moderation format.`
`pashdown`	`Yes Burt, I'll put them on the chat page on my website if they have any content.`
`pashdown`	`I'll get this one up in about an hour.`
`bikrguy`	`. thank you and thank you for your time.`
`reriding`	`thanks, Pete`
`reriding`	`goodnight`
`pashdown`	`Thank you`
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